How about a support race?

[Springbok Racer]

Hi guys,

With everyone being right into preparations for our forthcoming APC and the consequent introduction of the beautiful Grp C's that we'll be racing in our 2010 PEC - another question has been asked;

How about having a support race at the PEC events in 2010? However before we get too excited - just consider this. A complete 6 hour PEC event (on an 8 lane track with sit-out's) will take at least 12 hours to run if we get just 12 teams - therefor any support race either has to happen on Friday or on Sunday - as the main PEC 6 hour will run on the Saturday.:p6639707:

The following suggestions have been made for an individual sprint support race:
- Ferrari F430's run to IMCA spec.
- Plafit F1's run to APC 2009 spec.
- Plafit F1's run with hard bodies, but rules similar to the 2009 APC.
- a fun race using 1/24th scale VW Combi's (Revell make a variety that is still easily found) run with complete open chassis and motor spec, but with wheels inside body dimensions :autofahrer[1]::autofahrer[1]: (If someone can post some photo's of Glenn's creations or of the ones as raced in Europe, it will be great).
- a single body class of BMW M1 lexan bodies (available from Andrew/Acehobbies) run with an open commercially available adjustable chassis, with rules similar to F430's.
- Porsche GT3's run to the Qld Championship rules with either Pointer or Fox motors depending on the track used.

Let us know what you think.:hey:

Cheers

Jan

[PaulNZ]

I think in keeping with the LeMan style of racing that the GT3's would be the best option and a favourite of mine with the liveries that are availible.

If you make this a 8x3 sprint race then you should be able to do this on Friday before testing and TC of the Grp C cars. leave Sunday free for traveling.

[nomadman]

Hi Men...

12 hours for a slot car race. Too long for me and to run a support class on top of that :012:

I don't get that much spare time unfortunately.... I'm more for shorter races running more cars...

See you at the sprint races

[Springbok Racer]

Hi Men...

12 hours for a slot car race. Too long for me and to run a support class on top of that :012:

I don't get that much spare time unfortunately.... I'm more for shorter races running more cars...

See you at the sprint races

Pete,

The PEC race is only 6 hours (three segments of 2 hours each - two day sections and one night section). On an 8 laner you only drive 15 minutes per lane - it's like a sprint race (see you on the grid).:nice:

BUT, to run the whole event and give each team their alloted 6 hours, with sit-outs in between, do TC and the rest for 12 teams - will take a total of about 12 hours. The race alone will take 9 hours to complete.:popcorn:

Therefor I think we will be forced to either limit entry to a maximum of 16 teams (on an 8 laner, taking 15 hours) or reduce the race to 4 1/2 hours (or even 3 hours) to accomodate more teams.

Another thought - maybe the warm up race can actually be run on Sunday morning? Whichever way it goes I think we need everyones input ........:wavey[1]:

Cheers

Jan

[PaulNZ]

Jan, Sun morning would also be ok but should you not have the support race first??? keep the interest alive??? after running the Grp C enduro are you realy going to want to do a sprint race?

[nomadman]

Good point Paul & very valid.

Jan, I reckon you should limit the event to 6 hours depending upon nominations. That is plenty long enough. I agree that you are only driving for 15 minutes, but to hang around for 12 - 15 hours. No thanks.. You will lose a few of us with this sort of time.:drool:

Why not a support race or 2 in the morning to kick things off (sprint races) then go into your PEC Enduro in he afternoon with an evening section to close, limiting the race to 6 hours total time. You would need to adjust the brackets to suit the number of entries & complete the whole race in 6 hours. Remember, a lot of group C races were not over 24 or even 6 hours....

You need to cater to the masses. But if the masses want a 12 hour race then go with that...:toilet:

Sorry, I am a sprint race enthusiest. I find 5 minute brackets too long !!! :confused:

Pete

[Springbok Racer]

Jan, Sun morning would also be ok but should you not have the support race first??? keep the interest alive??? after running the Grp C enduro are you realy going to want to do a sprint race?

Paul,

Don't mind me, I'm just playing devil's advocate ............:vogel[1]:

Cheers

Jan

[jimmyslots]

Hi Men...

12 hours for a slot car race. Too long for me and to run a support class on top of that :012:

I don't get that much spare time unfortunately.... I'm more for shorter races running more cars...

See you at the sprint races

Hi Jan
Personally I think 6 hours is too long a race & if someone has a bad race I doubt thay will make the effort for the next event.
I'm in favour of a support race & this is only a suggestion.
A 2 hour afternoon race or heat 1,then a night 2 hour heat.So you will have a heat 1 winner & a heat 2 winner.2 seperate races but the total laps is the overall winner,just to keep people interested.
In the morning have your support race & depending on entrants the race time can be adjusted on the day.
My suggestion for support class is the GTJ's we ran in Melbourne but open the bodies to include the earlier Jap GTJ's that are still readily avaliable although not as wide as the modern cars there is a larger variety of liveries.
You could run them as individual or teams depending on the number of entrants.
It seems a waste to build a car & only race it once a year, this will keep the costs down & most parts are interchangeable with the C's.
My theory in having 3 races is to keep people interested,in golf you only hit 1 good shot out of 150 & you'll go back next week[now you know my handycap]
These are only my thoughts,6 hours will be very boring.

[Springbok Racer]

Hi Jan
Personally I think 6 hours is too long a race & if someone has a bad race I doubt thay will make the effort for the next event.
I'm in favour of a support race & this is only a suggestion.
A 2 hour afternoon race or heat 1,then a night 2 hour heat.So you will have a heat 1 winner & a heat 2 winner.2 seperate races but the total laps is the overall winner,just to keep people interested.
In the morning have your support race & depending on entrants the race time can be adjusted on the day.
My suggestion for support class is the GTJ's we ran in Melbourne but open the bodies to include the earlier Jap GTJ's that are still readily avaliable although not as wide as the modern cars there is a larger variety of liveries.
You could run them as individual or teams depending on the number of entrants.
It seems a waste to build a car & only race it once a year, this will keep the costs down & most parts are interchangeable with the C's.
My theory in having 3 races is to keep people interested,in golf you only hit 1 good shot out of 150 & you'll go back next week[now you know my handycap]
These are only my thoughts,6 hours will be very boring.

Jimmy,

Thanks for your input mate. I agree with you regarding the JPGT's being used more than once a year - however, it is a Plafit class and I think should remain with Werner. Other than that why not race it on a State or regional level.

As for the PEC - the 6 hour enduro is based on the overall WEC concept - the PEC is not only an Australian idea. Being part of the WEC (World Endurance Championship) scheme of things, dictate that we participate on an equatable basis. With three 2 hour sections a driver will only drive 15 minutes before lane/driver change. :banana:

After much discussion and as explained in an earlier post - the support race idea will not work. However, if we can combine state Plafit Championships (on one day) with the PEC (on the next or previous day), then we could have a weekend of racing where guys can choose what they want to race. Have a look at this discussion going on: http://www.auslot.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=10253&view=findpost&p=119594 :popcorn:

Cheers

Jan

[jazzbell]

Guy's

Remember the pec event from day one Jan has tried getting off the ground in this country has been the group c's.Here in Adelaide we run 3 to 4 enduro's every year,6hour plus.Personally i don't want no suport races.I think there will be enough racing going on around the country for all the other classes people would like to run.My veiw is that i'd like to get our team from thundrebird prior to race day to focus on setting up group c cars only.Most of you guy's i feel woud'nt have run enduros before,untill you do, you'll want more.Remember time goes in after you do youre race time ,plus marshal.The other thing that i enjoy most, is you get to socialize with the people you dont see all the time.Lets just focus on what we have set out for,group c only at the pec 2010.

regards shane a


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[PaulNZ]

Guy's

Remember the pec event from day one Jan has tried getting off the ground in this country has been the group c's.Here in Adelaide we run 3 to 4 enduro's every year,6hour plus.Personally i don't want no suport races.I think there will be enough racing going on around the country for all the other classes people would like to run.My veiw is that i'd like to get our team from thundrebird prior to race day to focus on setting up group c cars only.Most of you guy's i feel woud'nt have run enduros before,untill you do, you'll want more.Remember time goes in after you do youre race time ,plus marshal.The other thing that i enjoy most, is you get to socialize with the people you dont see all the time.Lets just focus on what we have set out for,group c only at the pec 2010.

regards shane a


Team thunderbird

Shane I tend to agree with you here, I first thought a GT3 race the day before could be ok :icon_confused: but now you mention it, it is better to focus on one car especially with 6 hrs racing ahead of you :autofahrer[1]:

I've changed my view a bit latley :Slap: so my vote is for NO support race :nice:

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